alt_harry: (7looking up)
[personal profile] alt_harry
That story Peter Pettigrew told us about Dumbledore telling him to betray my parents was a lie.

I still want to know why he did it. Because if it was that he was one of them, for real, why did he wind up hiding as a rat? Can you meet me in the secret room? I want to try asking him again. But I want the rest of you there to help me make absolutely sure he doesn't try to make a break for it.

Date: 2015-01-31 07:26 pm (UTC)
alt_sally_anne: (6_No effing way.)
From: [personal profile] alt_sally_anne
Okay Harry I'll come but why do you think he won't just lie to us again?

Date: 2015-01-31 07:29 pm (UTC)
alt_pansy: (looking thinking)
From: [personal profile] alt_pansy
I'll be there.

But Sally-Anne has a point.

I can understand why it'd be personal for you, but I think he's far more concerned with staying alive than holding himself accountable for what he's done, or uncovering the truth.

Date: 2015-01-31 07:41 pm (UTC)
alt_pansy: (looking thinking)
From: [personal profile] alt_pansy
Okay.

So we should make it clear that we're not angry with him about whatever he's done, we're angry with him for not being truthful.

And that we'd rather know the truth, no matter what he's done, and we'll keep him as safe as we can if he's absolutely straight with us. Because it might be even worse than what everyone thinks he did, and he might be worried that as soon as we'll find out, we'll be the ones out for his head.

But we still don't have any way to ensure that he's being fully truthful.

Date: 2015-01-31 07:44 pm (UTC)
alt_sally_anne: (6_Looking)
From: [personal profile] alt_sally_anne
We can tell him that the Order is keeping Mr Malfoy safe and alive because he's Draco's father, even though he was responsible for the deaths of loads of innocent people. And Peter was my rat (ergh) for years and years, and I don't want anything happening to him, but first I want to know exactly why he did what he did.

Harry, this might work better if you're not in the room. Or if he at least can't see you there.

Date: 2015-01-31 07:50 pm (UTC)
alt_pansy: (looking thinking)
From: [personal profile] alt_pansy
If there's something specific you know, Harry, something we can use to test him a bit, that'd be helpful.

And yeah. The part about Mr Malfoy is good.

Date: 2015-01-31 07:54 pm (UTC)
alt_ron: (0_16f_ron)
From: [personal profile] alt_ron
Yeah, I agree. That's sort of what I was going to say.

Except.

I think Harry should be there at first and then if Pettigrew lies again or seems really anxious, then you should tell Harry he needs to leave, and I'll back you up.

Harry and I could even quarrel about it, but in the end we should make Harry leave and make P feel as if he can trust us to protect him and not tell Harry what he says or to shape it so Harry will understand P's reasons and what he's afraid of now.

That sort of thing is something they use in interrogation all the time. You make one person really threatening, but then his partner disagrees and makes the prisoner feel like the interrogators don't work well together, that they're not a united front. We could do that easily. And let him feel like he can divide and conquer, but really it would be us manipulating him.

Date: 2015-01-31 07:57 pm (UTC)
alt_sally_anne: (6_I will find a way.)
From: [personal profile] alt_sally_anne
Yeah.

Good idea.

Private message to Pansy

Date: 2015-01-31 07:44 pm (UTC)
alt_sally_anne: (6_WTF)
From: [personal profile] alt_sally_anne
I still think he's just going to lie.

I mean, I would, in his position, if I thought it would be less likely to get me killed.

Re: Private message to Pansy

Date: 2015-01-31 07:48 pm (UTC)
alt_pansy: (looking thinking)
From: [personal profile] alt_pansy
He will. Of course he will.

And it's not like we're prepared to torture him.

But it is personal. For Harry. So. I figure it's worth trying as best as we can to sort out what happened, for his sake.

Re: Private message to Pansy

Date: 2015-01-31 07:56 pm (UTC)
alt_sally_anne: (6_Merciless.)
From: [personal profile] alt_sally_anne
We're not, but the rest of the Order might be.

So we can sort of play good auror/bad auror even if the bad auror isn't anywhere nearby.

Re: Private message to Pansy

Date: 2015-01-31 08:02 pm (UTC)
alt_pansy: (looking thinking)
From: [personal profile] alt_pansy
True.

And make it clear that we have a real say in it, that they'd listen to us if we told them not to hurt him.

Date: 2015-01-31 07:45 pm (UTC)
alt_pansy: (uncertain)
From: [personal profile] alt_pansy
Also. We should make sure there's clothing, because ugh.

And maybe giving him a chance to clean up a bit might help make him feel a bit more person-like.

Date: 2015-01-31 07:55 pm (UTC)
alt_sally_anne: (6_I will find a way.)
From: [personal profile] alt_sally_anne
Good thought on giving him some robes to put on.

Let's tell the room we need some hot water for washing up.

If we knew any of the foods he liked as a person, we could have those for him, too. So he'd feel like we were on his side. (And, there are potions that get people's guard down a bit. I don't mean veritaserum, I mean stuff like that sunrise drink Dominic Selwyn gave us that one time.)

Date: 2015-01-31 07:27 pm (UTC)
alt_justin: (guardé)
From: [personal profile] alt_justin
Harry,

I can meet you there in about twenty minutes, if that's all right. I'm just finishing up some correspondence for the Headmaster and I can't simply walk out, what, but I shall come as soon as ever I can do.

-Justin

Date: 2015-02-01 12:53 am (UTC)
alt_justin: (C'est grave!)
From: [personal profile] alt_justin
Sally-Anne,

Sorry about Hydra, what. She's feeling bally well strained, I think, by Auror Crouch's and her mother's expectations of her. It's not that she's really very cross with you or any of us for not telling her, personally.

She'll be all right in a day or two, I'm sure.

-Justin

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