Well. Part of it was talking. Most of it was arguing.
I told her that she knew I didn't want to escalate things, and she chose to go forward with her plan anyways, which was disrespecting me, and putting everyone else in greater danger. And that by choosing not to come to me, or tell Dolohov right away when things went pear shaped, this was on her.
She said that she didn't know he'd be able to disable the wards like he did. And she thought he'd get caught. And he was stupid for not taking the proper precautions. But I finally got her to own up to the fact that she should've done more research about his abilities to handle the wards, and shouldn't have just assumed, and then she started crying. A lot. And she was really embarrassed by it too. So I'm pretty sure she was actually crying.
Anyways. She said things were bound to get more serious, I told her that if they were, she had to own what happened, and take responsibility for it, and she had a chance to choose what kind of leader she was going to be, and we argued some more about whether trying to keep everyone from really hurting each other seriously was realistic given it's the council and everything, and I may have shouted at her that we weren't setting a good precedent for our future if we weren't even waiting until we were done with school before killing each other.
So. After going in circles for a while, I told her she could work with me, alongside me, or against me, and it was up to her, but if she crossed me like that again, I'm going to assume she's against me, and that's on her head.
I'm wondering if we should do something together. To show her a bit of power. Because it seems like she responds to that, at least, and I want to let her know there are consequences for what she's done, even if the Board and the Headmistress and Professor Dolohov aren't going to punish her.
I say, I'm not surprised, unfortunately. In our lessons and our revision today, she was trying to adopt an air of indifference but one could tell that she was slightly more troubled than she wished to let on. On the other hand, has anyone noticed that some of the younger students--Lakshmi Desai and Lavinia Levingworth, for example--were treating her a bit more deferentially? We were in the library after Arithmancy and those two girls, particularly, were quite anxious to run her errands for her. She quite enjoyed that, what.
I still think she's in way over her head, but she wants to be on the council. And she might decide that this is the sort of person she is, and that makes her a lot more dangerous.
Maybe she always was this sort of person.
At least we know to watch our backs around her now.
I'm thinking of cursing her for disloyalty. For this week's challenge. But we could do something else in addition to that.
We just need to be careful because if you start talking about danger and keeping people safe she might start to wonder why. Because your father doesn't exactly care about keeping people safe - it's each for his or her own, always.
I can't sound like I'm contradicting him or anything. I've been talking about that some with Mr Snape. And it's also not realistic to think the council won't be a blood bath. Because it will be. Despite what I've been talking about with Raz. Who seems pretty fed up with the contest and the council, by the way.
I do think it's reasonable to say that killing students at Hogwarts makes things more dangerous for everyone here, though. Which is also something He wouldn't care about, but I know Raz and Dolohov would back me.
I'll try to be careful about the other stuff if we talk about it again.
Really, though, if she wants to depend on Sandoval and Finnegan alone, she won't last long. Especially if she's got Peakes and Dolohov angry. And Dolohov seems like he holds on to things.
I'm not sure it matters too much, she's clearly not an ally. But I was sort of hoping Finnegan would be. Sort of. Not the kind you can really trust, but the kind you can talk to reasonably.
Seamus is the ward of Mr Rosier, and Mr Rosier's my nanella's brother, and my Uncle. Seamus may be a loyal friend to Padma, but when it comes to council matters I think he will follow Mr Rosier's advice. And I don't think Mr Rosier would ever advise him to go against me, you, or Draco.
Padma isn't related or connected to any council members. She lacks knowledge in that area, and since she hates not having knowledge about anything, we can probably use that against her.
And I guess when it comes to Patil, and how to handle her, we ought to sort out what we want. Which is tricky. I don't want to make her an enemy outright, you know? But I've got to show that I mean what I say, too. And sending a message that doing that sort of thing while we're in Hogwarts isn't acceptable. But that's more for everyone else, because she already knows what I think about it.
I said that I wouldn't tell anyone about her secret copy of Pure Victory, and that if she wanted to learn to occlude she needs to work with a willing legilimens.
ORDER ONLY
Date: 2014-05-09 02:00 am (UTC)Well. Part of it was talking. Most of it was arguing.
I told her that she knew I didn't want to escalate things, and she chose to go forward with her plan anyways, which was disrespecting me, and putting everyone else in greater danger. And that by choosing not to come to me, or tell Dolohov right away when things went pear shaped, this was on her.
She said that she didn't know he'd be able to disable the wards like he did. And she thought he'd get caught. And he was stupid for not taking the proper precautions. But I finally got her to own up to the fact that she should've done more research about his abilities to handle the wards, and shouldn't have just assumed, and then she started crying. A lot. And she was really embarrassed by it too. So I'm pretty sure she was actually crying.
Anyways. She said things were bound to get more serious, I told her that if they were, she had to own what happened, and take responsibility for it, and she had a chance to choose what kind of leader she was going to be, and we argued some more about whether trying to keep everyone from really hurting each other seriously was realistic given it's the council and everything, and I may have shouted at her that we weren't setting a good precedent for our future if we weren't even waiting until we were done with school before killing each other.
So. After going in circles for a while, I told her she could work with me, alongside me, or against me, and it was up to her, but if she crossed me like that again, I'm going to assume she's against me, and that's on her head.
And that's where we left it.
Private Message to Raz
Date: 2014-05-09 02:28 am (UTC)Re: ORDER ONLY
Date: 2014-05-09 02:43 am (UTC)Well, I'm sorry she's so stubborn about it but really, did you expect her to agree with you?
Re: ORDER ONLY
Date: 2014-05-09 03:05 am (UTC)Re: ORDER ONLY: Private Message to Hydra
Date: 2014-05-09 03:07 am (UTC)Re: ORDER ONLY
Date: 2014-05-09 03:16 am (UTC)I say, I'm not surprised, unfortunately. In our lessons and our revision today, she was trying to adopt an air of indifference but one could tell that she was slightly more troubled than she wished to let on. On the other hand, has anyone noticed that some of the younger students--Lakshmi Desai and Lavinia Levingworth, for example--were treating her a bit more deferentially? We were in the library after Arithmancy and those two girls, particularly, were quite anxious to run her errands for her. She quite enjoyed that, what.
-Justin
Re: ORDER ONLY
Date: 2014-05-09 03:30 am (UTC)I still think she's in way over her head, but she wants to be on the council. And she might decide that this is the sort of person she is, and that makes her a lot more dangerous.
Maybe she always was this sort of person.
At least we know to watch our backs around her now.
Re: Private Message to Raz
Date: 2014-05-09 04:01 am (UTC)Not everyone needs to come at the same time if Hydra and Justin are uncomfortable.
Re: Private Message to Raz
Date: 2014-05-09 05:12 am (UTC)And that's good to know. But they won't be a problem.
Re: ORDER ONLY: Private Message to Hydra
Date: 2014-05-09 02:12 pm (UTC)We just need to be careful because if you start talking about danger and keeping people safe she might start to wonder why. Because your father doesn't exactly care about keeping people safe - it's each for his or her own, always.
Re: ORDER ONLY: Private Message to Hydra
Date: 2014-05-09 03:12 pm (UTC)I can't sound like I'm contradicting him or anything. I've been talking about that some with Mr Snape. And it's also not realistic to think the council won't be a blood bath. Because it will be. Despite what I've been talking about with Raz. Who seems pretty fed up with the contest and the council, by the way.
I do think it's reasonable to say that killing students at Hogwarts makes things more dangerous for everyone here, though. Which is also something He wouldn't care about, but I know Raz and Dolohov would back me.
I'll try to be careful about the other stuff if we talk about it again.
Really, though, if she wants to depend on Sandoval and Finnegan alone, she won't last long. Especially if she's got Peakes and Dolohov angry. And Dolohov seems like he holds on to things.
I'm not sure it matters too much, she's clearly not an ally. But I was sort of hoping Finnegan would be. Sort of. Not the kind you can really trust, but the kind you can talk to reasonably.
Re: ORDER ONLY: Private Message to Hydra
Date: 2014-05-09 03:36 pm (UTC)Padma isn't related or connected to any council members. She lacks knowledge in that area, and since she hates not having knowledge about anything, we can probably use that against her.
Re: ORDER ONLY: Private Message to Hydra
Date: 2014-05-09 04:21 pm (UTC)I wonder if she realises that?
And I guess when it comes to Patil, and how to handle her, we ought to sort out what we want. Which is tricky. I don't want to make her an enemy outright, you know? But I've got to show that I mean what I say, too. And sending a message that doing that sort of thing while we're in Hogwarts isn't acceptable. But that's more for everyone else, because she already knows what I think about it.
Re: ORDER ONLY: Private Message to Hydra
Date: 2014-05-09 04:29 pm (UTC)I said that I wouldn't tell anyone about her secret copy of Pure Victory, and that if she wanted to learn to occlude she needs to work with a willing legilimens.
Let's see what that makes her do.
Re: ORDER ONLY: Private Message to Hydra
Date: 2014-05-09 04:32 pm (UTC)Good.
Let me know if you need anything on my end.